Strings and Words: They Found Love while Creating Beautiful Music and Stories

Wendy Green [: 00:00:16

Hello. Hey, boomer listeners. I am your host, Wendy Green. And our guests today, Stu and Jana Zonder, are going to inspire you, and we're going to have fun with them. They are collaborators in life and in work, and they each have their own individual accomplishments, which we're going to hear more about. But as I was preparing for the show today, I started to think about what is fun, right? Because so many of us in the western tradition, anyway, put off fun until maybe we take a vacation and some people put it off until retirement. And that is a really hard thing to do because once you retire, if you've not been practicing fun, sometimes you don't really know how to have fun. And then, on the other hand, a lot of people recognize that just having fun, just living that life of leisure, is not really enough.

Wendy Green [: 00:01:22

There needs to be some meaning, some purpose, some passion in their lives. So, when I was thinking about that, I made a list of some of the things that I think that I find fun that give me pleasure. And on that list, I had dancing and I had hiking and I had listening to music, working in my garden, growing my vegetables on my flowers, spending time with my friends and family and doing this, which is maybe work. But work is fun for me, and I think work is also fun for Stu and Jana, which you're going to hear more about. So I would encourage you to make a list, think about some of the ways that you have fun in your life and are you giving yourself time to have fun in your daily life? And the reason I asked that question is because I haven't always been really good at that, giving myself permission to have fun. I always put, like, work and responsibilities first. And I think part of that is the way I was raised. And I remember my brother and sister and I, we were like little Tom Sawyers trying to get our friends to help us with our chores so that we could finish faster and then maybe we could go play.

Wendy Green [: 00:02:37

But we always had so many responsibilities growing up. So I have been really working harder at adding fun into my life. But on today's show, we are going to have fun. In fact, Stu's Tagline for his business is all fun all the time at Stu's college of musical knowledge. So if you like the energy of music and you like the energy of being passionate about life, you are going to enjoy my guests, Stu and Jana Zonder. Let me bring on Stu and right. Hi. So good to have you guys on the show.

Stu Zonder [: 00:03:23

Very happy to be here.

Janna Zonder [: 00:03:24

Thank you. Thank you for having us.

Wendy Green [: 00:03:26

Yeah. Well, let me do a brief introduction. Okay. When they married, Stu and Janiceander had no idea that their partnership would extend to so many areas of their lives. In addition to being happily married for 40 years. Wow, guys. They have also joined together their creative abilities as musicians, writers and performers. When they met, Jana was acting in theater and Stu was teaching guitar.

Wendy Green [: 00:03:56

She went to him for lessons and after two lessons, they were in love. Stu is a master musician and teacher of both guitar and ukulele, and in recent years he has offered all of his classes online and has students all over the US. And in other countries. He is an endorsed artist and teacher for Flight Ukulele. Stu and Jana are partners in their business string along with Stu, where her skills in website design, writing and management have served them well. Jana is a published author, editor, and ghostwriter. Her first book, Magenta Rave, is a gripping, taut psychological thriller that turns the tables on convicted sexual predators. It will keep you guessing until the end and Stu has partnered and supported her in her writing and is always the first reader and editor for her work.

Wendy Green [: 00:05:02

He is a writer as well and they have collaborated on songs and other projects over the year. But perhaps their greatest pleasure comes from performing together. They both sing, play guitar and ukulele, and before the pandemic, they performed as a musical comedy duo. We're going to get to see some of that. And they performed in venues across the country and they perform in house concerts, which sounds like so much fun. I'm going to have to have a house concert after the pandemic is we'll be there. Stu and Jana have continued to grow in their individual pursuits and as an artistic team and as part of the baby boom generation, it has surprised them that they are enjoying this time of life. So, hmm, we got to find out about that.

Wendy Green [: 00:05:55

But first, I want to know a little bit more about you guys. Have you always been artists or did you have a traditional career at some point?

Janna Zonder [: 00:06:04

Well, I think we've all always had artistic tendencies that, like many good parents, tried to get them out of us.

Wendy Green [: 00:06:13

Right.

Janna Zonder [: 00:06:14

We've always going in that direction. We both had very straight careers.

Wendy Green [: 00:06:19

Yes. So what did you do?

Stu Zonder [: 00:06:22

me of the banking problems in: 2008

Stu Zonder [: 00:07:13

What do you want to do? What do you want to do? And we talked about it, and I says, I want to teach music. I want to teach guitar. At the time, it was just guitar because I was not aware of the beauty of the Ukulele. And we also had a recording studio in our home, so we were living in Asheville, North Carolina, at the time. So we started making demos for people and CDs for people in our home, which was great fun. And then Jan brought me the idea of something called Skype, which I had never heard of, which totally changed everything and made my window huge in terms of being able to teach. So that was the biggest game changer of all, too, and I've never looked back. I've never been happier.

Stu Zonder [: 00:07:51

I'm doing what I'm supposed to do now, and I'm delighted, really, that's true.

Janna Zonder [: 00:07:56

And for me, if you ever try to be an actor, you always have to have a job. So I actually started working the day after I graduated from high school because of a family situation, and I started out as a secretary, and I became an executive secretary. And when I decided I wanted to study theater and become an actor, I did a lot of temporary jobs. I quit a secure job and started doing temporary work, and that was wonderful for learning dialogue between the theater. We studied great writing and being just in different offices all the time. I learned a lot about what motivates people, how they think, how they talk in any given situation. So that was really helpful for my you know, those skills also that I learned in offices have really served us well in string along with stu. So it was just kind of a perfect storm of us trying to fit our round selves into square holes and eventually saying, oh, we'll just take those skills we used and do something we really want to do.

Wendy Green [: 00:09:05

And I saw when you were in Asheville and right around the banking crisis, part of you is about giving back, and you found that you could give back in a special way to some of the homeless shelters. Will you tell us about that?

Janna Zonder [: 00:09:23

Yeah, go ahead, honey.

Stu Zonder [: 00:09:24

Well, shortly after I was laid off, we were kind of at loose ends at that time. This is as we were trying to figure out what to do, and we decided to do something nice and do something to give back. So we started playing at several homeless shelters in Asheville, and a funny thing happened. We started playing at these shelters, and the people we're playing for looked just like us, just like was they were our age. They looked perfectly this the groups we were playing for didn't look like what we had been taught homeless people necessarily look like. These are people who were lost in the shuffle here. And we were not far away at.

Janna Zonder [: 00:10:05

That time, and we realized anybody could be homeless.

Stu Zonder [: 00:10:08

That's right. Very sobering. Yeah, for sure.

Janna Zonder [: 00:10:11

And so I think it made us even odly enough. It didn't scare us into going into something more secure, but it did scare us into saying we want to do something that's authentic with our lives forward.

Stu Zonder [: 00:10:26

Right. It was really a lovely time. We met some great people and played at this one. Was it battered woman's shelter? Homeless women's shelter with children. That was so fun. And they were so appreciative and singing along. It was beautiful.

Janna Zonder [: 00:10:43

It was truly.

Wendy Green [: 00:10:47

And you make a good point. I mean, it could happen, things happen. And to live authentically, to take that risk, but to make a commitment to it, I think was a beautiful thing that you all did. So you collaborate on songs and you do musical comedy, but as a married couple, there must be fun parts and challenging parts to collaborating and working together. Is that true?

Stu Zonder [: 00:11:19

Mostly fun.

Janna Zonder [: 00:11:20

We're very lucky in that we come from very different backgrounds. But our core beliefs, our basic habits, the way we like our house to look, all of that.

Stu Zonder [: 00:11:31

Our sense of humor, our sense of.

Janna Zonder [: 00:11:33

Humor, it's very similar. It's surprisingly similar. So we don't have any major differences that we have to fight, know a lot of people.

Stu Zonder [: 00:11:42

When the virus hit and everybody started working from home, it was a big adjustment of being together all the time. Well, Jan and I have worked together at home for years together, and it's never been a problem. And I don't know how we would do it otherwise anymore. One of us had to go to an actual job someplace.

Janna Zonder [: 00:11:59

Yeah, we don't get into big fights. We don't have big issues around it at all.

Stu Zonder [: 00:12:07

We do very well.

Wendy Green [: 00:12:08

Yeah, that's awesome. I know, right? Because a lot of people take like, if you're a writer, you take it very personally if someone comments on your stuff. So that's awesome that you can well.

Janna Zonder [: 00:12:23

You know, theater was very helpful for me with that because in theater, part of the learning process is for your peers to critique you. And so when you do a class after it's over, they critique you. And people have all kinds of agendas. Most people are coming from a good place, but some people aren't. So you really have to learn to just take it in and say, okay, what's true for me? Does that resonate with me? If it does, then I'm going to look at that. I'm doing something that I can change, and thank you for helping me. If it doesn't resonate, then you have to say, okay, I don't think that's right. You have to learn to listen to your own inner voice.

Janna Zonder [: 00:13:05

I think as any kind of creative person. That's one of the first things. If you can get that, you get a lot of freedom in your work to trust your own inner voice.

Wendy Green [: 00:13:16

Yeah. And was that true for you also, Stu, that you were able to accept Jana's comments because you felt secure enough in your own inner voice?

Stu Zonder [: 00:13:29

Well, I was always able to accept Janice comments because they were always intended in the right way for know, even if it was critical, it was with a good spirit. So whether I was secure in my own self is another question. But I've never had an issue with anything. Jan has been helpful. Such an understatement.

Janna Zonder [: 00:13:52

I'm sorry. And what I was going to say is that after you've been a while together for quite a while, you know, nothing's going to destroy things, so you get mad for a minute and it passes and it goes away.

Wendy Green [: 00:14:06

Yeah. Well, I know that you guys want to play a couple of fun songs for us, but Stu, before you do that, you told me that you are representing a new Ukulele company. Do you want to tell us about that for a minute?

Stu Zonder [: 00:14:22

I sure would. It's a company called Flight ukulele is from Europe, from Slovenia. The company is very big in Europe and India and China and they're relatively new in the States. And I met up with them through Mike McQueen at the UK Republic, who's been very helpful to me. And we have just come together and I'm going to be doing demos on their instruments and doing workshops for I'm very, very excited about it. They have a very active marketing plan and they've given me a beautiful ukulele to use and it's exciting. I've done this before for companies and I never really felt connected to the company that well because I was kind of a free agent. But this is part of a plan here very excited about and there's direction with it and lots to do.

Stu Zonder [: 00:15:10

I'm delighted to be with Flight and look forward to it very much. That's exciting recent relationship that developed with that.

Wendy Green [: 00:15:18

Yeah. And I want to learn more about the different types of ukuleles and guitars. But first I would love for you guys to play a couple of songs for us. Great.

Janna Zonder [: 00:15:27

And this first one we're going to do is originally when Stu and I started doing parodies, musical parodies, we were doing a lot of political stuff and as we aged, as we got older, we started looking at our generation and now our stuff is more kind of comments on aging and that kind of thing.

Stu Zonder [: 00:15:49

All right. This little tune we like to call our bodies. They are changing our chest.

Wendy Green [: 00:15:58

They have fallen. Our hips, they have grown. Where once there was hair, now there is none. We want younger bodies instead of our own. Our priorities are rearranging so we can't be afraid if we want to get laid for our bodies they are changing.

Stu Zonder [: 00:16:32

Our ears, they are raining our stomachs.

Wendy Green [: 00:16:35

They moan now there's a drown where there once was a bone our food goes unsalted, we've got kidney stones. Our priorities are rearranging. Just joining the health club won't do it alone. Our bodies, they are changing you. We've heard dolly partners. Surgeons in town. We want to lift up what has. Now fallen down in all of our hearts we still get around but our children all think we're deranged so we better start nipping for soon we'll be tight for our bodies they are a change for our bodies they are a change that was so much fun.

Wendy Green [: 00:18:00

No wonder you guys never fight. You're laughing too much.

Janna Zonder [: 00:18:03

You got to laugh. It's happening to everybody.

Wendy Green [: 00:18:07

You got to laugh. Yeah.

Janna Zonder [: 00:18:11

Well, you know, Wendy, I was asked to give a special message to someone out there by my dear friend Catherine Hepburn.

Wendy Green [: 00:18:20

Oh. So I just want to say Norman norman, you old poop don't you know.

Janna Zonder [: 00:18:30

You'Re my knight in shining armor darling, when I get home we'll get on.

Wendy Green [: 00:18:37

That old horse of yours and we'll ride, ride, ride I love it. That was very good. So you have another one from one of my favorite TV shows back in the day. Would you like to introduce it?

Stu Zonder [: 00:18:58

Sure.

Wendy Green [: 00:18:59

Yes.

Janna Zonder [: 00:18:59

This is the couple that defined our generation, the family that defined our generation, archie and Edith. And this is their theme song.

Stu Zonder [: 00:19:14

Boy, the Wigglyn Miller played songs that.

Wendy Green [: 00:19:19

Made the hip parade guys like us.

Stu Zonder [: 00:19:23

We had it made those were the.

Wendy Green [: 00:19:27

Days and you knew who you were then Goyles were Goyles and men were men.

Stu Zonder [: 00:19:40

Mr we could use a man.

Wendy Green [: 00:19:42

Like Hyman hoover again.

Stu Zonder [: 00:19:47

Didn'T need no.

Wendy Green [: 00:19:48

Welfare state everybody pulled his weight Grota. You guys are great. Jana, the voices, amazing.

Janna Zonder [: 00:20:18

We got a million of them.

Wendy Green [: 00:20:20

Well, definitely. A house party is in the so I'm curious about the guitars and the like. I guess I always thought of a ukulele as that little Hawaiian instrument that they played, and it wasn't very musical, but obviously you make great music with it. But are there different types of ukuleles? Like, there are different types of guitars?

Stu Zonder [: 00:20:48

Well, there are there are a lot of different makes of ukuleles, but there's also different sizes. But in answer to your comment, I was the same way. I was the same way. It wasn't even Hawaiian music as much as I was given the experience of seeing Tiny Tim. Tiny Tim, right. Which was a mixed mean. It was entertaining, but it was kind of bizarre at the same time. And it wasn't something that attracted me to ukulele, like watching Jimmy Page play guitar might have been didn't have the same appeal until several years ago.

Stu Zonder [: 00:21:21

I had an experience where a family member wanted to learn how to play. She's very young and she wanted to actually learn how to play guitar. And she was too young. So I suggested the ukulele, got her one, got me one, started messing around with it and realized I had no idea how much fun and what beautiful music you can really make on the ukulele. And I will say it's been the musical surprise of my life to stumble literally upon the ukulele and it has doubled my business, literally. Well, ukulele is so popular right now and it's so great for children, but also for seniors, I would say more students over 55 or 60 than any other age, because it is very player friendly and it doesn't have that painful breaking. It in part of learning how to play that guitar has it's much easier.

Janna Zonder [: 00:22:18

And it's very lightweight. And for people who may be dealing with arthritis or different issues with their hands, the strings are very easy to press. There's only four of them. It's small, it fits. Small hands.

Stu Zonder [: 00:22:32

That's right.

Janna Zonder [: 00:22:32

So for people of our generation, it is a great stringed instrument.

Stu Zonder [: 00:22:36

Just great. Expensive too, compared to guitars.

Wendy Green [: 00:22:40

Yeah. And I know my mother, shortly after my father died, she started taking ukulele lessons. She realized that singing was not her forte, but learning to play the ukulele was fun for her. She enjoyed that.

Stu Zonder [: 00:22:58

A lot of people always wanted to play. I have a lot of students. I've always wanted to play an instrument or I played something when I was a child. It wasn't a good experience. And the enthusiasm around ukulele is stunning.

Wendy Green [: 00:23:09

Truly.

Stu Zonder [: 00:23:10

Really.

Janna Zonder [: 00:23:10

There are lots of groups, lots of informal ukulele groups meet up who get together.

Stu Zonder [: 00:23:15

It's wonderful.

Wendy Green [: 00:23:16

Wow. Well, I have a couple of people that are watching saying they want to start playing ukulele. So I'm going to tell you guys how to get in touch with Stu if you want to take some lessons. Let's switch gears for just a moment, though, because we did mention that Jana is also an author and you have that book Magenta rave out. So would you give us a brief summary or an idea of how you got into writing this book?

Janna Zonder [: 00:23:42

its time. It was published in: 2013

Janna Zonder [: 00:24:51

And she's a master of disguise. So we have wonderful roles for women in this book. And there are two detectives who are after trying to solve this case, and this perpetrator is a master of disguise. So they don't know if they're dealing with one woman or 20 women. And the feedback that I've gotten from my readers is that can't put it down, it just grabs you on the first page and takes you all the way to the conclusion. And that was really what I wanted to write. I set out to write something that was entertaining and fast paced, that would shine a light on the sexual abuse of women and children. And it sounds like it might be oh so gritty and difficult, and there are some difficult passages.

Janna Zonder [: 00:25:42

It centers around a therapy group, survivors group, survivors group. But there's a lot of humor in it. And I've had women tell me who have been who are survivors of sexual assault, that it's very cathartic for them. Maybe they have to be a certain distance from it or something, but it's very cathartic for them. That's pretty much the book. Here's a picture of it. There's the COVID Wait a minute. There it is.

Wendy Green [: 00:26:14

There we go.

Janna Zonder [: 00:26:16

Yeah, and it's on Amazon. And you can go there and read the reviews. There's some wonderful reviews of it. And it's also an ebook form. And should we tell?

Wendy Green [: 00:26:31

Yes, tell.

Janna Zonder [: 00:26:32

We have a dynamic young producing team who we're in early talks to perhaps make this into a limited series or a movie. Very preliminary. We don't know if anything will come of it, but yes, fingers crossed.

Stu Zonder [: 00:26:49

Exciting.

Wendy Green [: 00:26:50

That is exciting. And you're working on a second book, is that right?

Janna Zonder [: 00:26:54

I'm working on a completely different second book that actually started as a memoir and ended up being kind of a coming of age tale. And I'm in rewrites right now, but I intend to finish it.

Wendy Green [: 00:27:12

Well, that's exciting. So, so much creativity in this group. And in your bio, as I was introducing you, you said you were surprised at how much fun you're having at this time of your life. And I'm curious what surprises you about that?

Stu Zonder [: 00:27:29

Well, when we're young or when I was young, people who are our age look like old people and they acted old and they were tired and they were worn out and stuff. And I never really thought that being in our late sixty s and early 70s would be really fun because the model I had for it was not fun. It looked like it was hard and there was a lot of illness and it was problematic, not much fun. And I'm finding that I'm having more fun now than I've ever had and feel more relaxed and more secure within myself and satisfied with the work I do and excited about it. And my relationship with Jan is so great. And where we live out here on the Zondarosa is so sweet and life has know, never been better. So I didn't know that was going to be the way it was going to be at this age. And I'm very happy about it.

Stu Zonder [: 00:28:30

It occurred to me as we were writing the bio for you, it just came up for me. I'm a little surprised and very happy about it, of course, that it was a happy time of.

Wendy Green [: 00:28:44

And I don't know if you want to add anything to that, jenna?

Janna Zonder [: 00:28:47

Well, just a recommendation to all people our age and younger, but particularly our age, I think art of any kind. Like, if you look at what am I interested in? What have I always liked to do? Did I like to draw as a kid? If you rekindle that, it opens you up and peels away layers in ways that you just don't imagine and it doesn't have to come to anything other than your own pleasure in doing it. And so I really recommend that. I think it's part of why we find this time so fulfilling. It's because I will say I'm also surprised that we can physically do the things that we still that we can dance, we can move, we can sing. And I think as long as you got it, use know, whatever.

Wendy Green [: 00:29:41

There you go. No, that's know because I think I had the same know. I grew up in Miami, and you would drive along South Beach, and it was just old people sitting there in the rocking chairs, practically waiting to die and recognizing now we're not old. At almost 70, we're still very vibrant, very involved in life, very active. And there is a sort of inner peace that comes along with some of that, I think.

Stu Zonder [: 00:30:14

So a lot of the stress has been removed and pressure.

Janna Zonder [: 00:30:19

And I think you've come to know yourself and you accept yourself. I think it's important to accept yourself and say, okay, all the things I thought I would do, I didn't do, but I ended up doing some things that were even better. I think that you come to peace with who you are and you don't have that great youthful body that you once had, but you still got a good body and might as well use it.

Wendy Green [: 00:30:44

Thank you. Oh, you weren't talking about just I was actually. So, let's see. Some of these comments are wonderful from Lynn Austin. She says, Stu is the best teacher. When you take a lesson, he emails a recording of it so you can retake it. Also, he sends a recording to play along with. Sissy says, you two are great.

Wendy Green [: 00:31:08

David says, I have a lesson with Stu tomorrow. Looking forward to it. Kathy posted the link to your book on Amazon.

Janna Zonder [: 00:31:17

Oh, nice.

Wendy Green [: 00:31:18

Yes. And she wishes you good luck in your negotiations for your TV series. That would be so exciting.

Janna Zonder [: 00:31:28

That would be the best thing ever.

Wendy Green [: 00:31:30

That would be so exciting. So what's next? For you all?

Stu Zonder [: 00:31:36

Well, we for sure want to make it through this virus time of life, and we're kind of fairly hunkered in until it's over. We're going to get back to performing. Our work goes on. I teach from home, and my commute is from the kitchen to my office, so that's not going to change. And I'm busy and Jan's working on her projects, and when things lighten up and we feel like people can gather, we'll start traveling and playing some more.

Wendy Green [: 00:32:03

Have you been able to do any concerts during the Pandemic, like online or anything?

Stu Zonder [: 00:32:08

No. We had one really lovely night where when it seemed like things were coming together a little bit. A few months ago, a friend of ours asked us to play at a dinner party of theirs. It's kind of a long story, but really lovely group of seven couples, and we let a Motown sing along. I'm from Detroit. That was very easy for me, so we let a Motown sing along and it was just it felt so good. First of all, to be singing in front of people and sing alongs for us have always been like having people join us has always been the most fun.

Wendy Green [: 00:32:43

So tell me, if I want to do a house party, what does that look like?

Stu Zonder [: 00:32:47

Well, it looks like this. We've come to your house and we'd move the furniture around a little bit to make space. Then we would set up some chairs and it would actually be a concert. It wouldn't resemble a party where we're in the corner playing. People would buy tickets and you as the host wouldn't have to deal with any of that. We would handle all of that. We'd have refreshments. People would come in at a point of time.

Stu Zonder [: 00:33:08

We'd play for hour and a half or so and they would go home and it would be a very comfortable, intimate, fun, lot of interaction, back and forth kind of night. And that's our venue. We used to play in bars when we were young and come on.

Wendy Green [: 00:33:26

We'Re.

Janna Zonder [: 00:33:26

Ready to go to bed. By the time the bars are ready.

Stu Zonder [: 00:33:28

To start early, you end early. It works beautifully.

Janna Zonder [: 00:33:32

House concerts, you start at seven, you're done by nine.

Wendy Green [: 00:33:35

We're good fun. So it's not like a dinner party. It is actually a concert.

Stu Zonder [: 00:33:41

We set up the PA, the whole thing. House concerts are the greatest.

Wendy Green [: 00:33:46

And we can sing along for sure.

Janna Zonder [: 00:33:48

Absolutely. We encourage you. We encourage you. And we even do a little dancing and encourage people to dance. Or I do a little dancing.

Stu Zonder [: 00:33:55

You say we?

Wendy Green [: 00:33:56

Yeah, I'll dance with you, Jana. That sounds like fun. All right. I'm looking around at my space to figure out how we're going to do this. And you'll travel a little bit, a little ways to do it.

Janna Zonder [: 00:34:09

Absolutely, yeah.

Wendy Green [: 00:34:10

Awesome. All right, y'all stay tuned. We're going to have a house party when the Pandemic. Is over a house concert. All right, so The Hey Boomer Show is about inspiring people to live their best life into their fifty s, sixty s, seventy s, eighty s, and beyond. And so I'm wondering if you all have a couple of takeaways that you would like to leave with the audience.

Stu Zonder [: 00:34:39

Well, I would say look for the fun, look for the laugh. Time is short in this world. It goes by. And I think people worry too much and they stress too much, and in the end, things tend to work out. There's a saying that I really like, that things always work out in the end. So if it hasn't worked out yet, it's not the end. That's kind of silly, but I hear that right. So I'm just looking for the good time and having as much fun and enjoying these years as much as possible.

Stu Zonder [: 00:35:18

And I would encourage people to do what feels right to you, do the authentic thing that is in your heart to do, and you'll be okay.

Janna Zonder [: 00:35:26

And I would just briefly add to that that if you're carrying anything, any non forgiveness of yourself, or anybody else for that matter, but particularly of yourself, if you're carrying these negative thoughts that come in about, I can't, I shouldn't, I should have I would have to really act. There are all kinds of practices to help you get rid of that. But if you can let go of all that stuff and stay as much as possible in the present moment, then it brings so much joy and relief and satisfaction into your life. And that has been something that I think I've worked on my whole life, and I'm getting closer to being able to do that.

Wendy Green [: 00:36:09

Yeah, I know. That is kind of a lifetime practice. We do get in our heads and in our way a lot, too much.

Janna Zonder [: 00:36:18

But when you're in that moment of just kind of purely present, doing something you love to do, that, to me, is the payoff in life. That's it right there.

Wendy Green [: 00:36:29

Yeah. And I'm so grateful to be doing this and to have you as guests. So I do want to have you play another song as I show your contact information on the screen. Would that be all right?

Stu Zonder [: 00:36:44

That would be great. But before you do, we really want to encourage people to subscribe to your show because we've been watching for several weeks, and it's terrific. It's different every week. And all of our friends out there, people who are just tuning in, this is a good show, this is for us. This is for us. And even if you're younger, it's an interesting show, very different topics every week. And you do a great job, Wendy.

Wendy Green [: 00:37:10

Thank you so much. Yeah, put the email on the screen. You can email me. There's a new website going up, hopefully by the end of this week, but it will be the same website address. So. Thank you, Stu. Of course, I get lucky because I have great guests like you guys, so that definitely helps. All right, so I'm going to show your contact information as oh, and we get to hear Jana play today, too, tonight.

Janna Zonder [: 00:37:37

See how well the student has done over the years. You can get the lessons, and you don't have to marry him either, so, you know that's good.

Wendy Green [: 00:37:46

Yeah, well, otherwise he's practicing polygamy, right?

Stu Zonder [: 00:37:55

All right, here we go.

Wendy Green [: 00:38:56

Wow, that's awesome. Who knew you could make that kind of music on a ukulele? Thank you so much. Been wonderful having you guys here. So thank you all for tuning in today. I know your time is valuable, and I truly, truly appreciate your support of Stu and Jana, your support of hey, Boomer. Your support of all of us. Please help me grow the audience, as they said, subscribe. And remember, you are never too old to set another goal or dream a new dream.

Wendy Green [: 00:39:32

So my name is Wendy Green, and this has been hey, Boomer.